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	<title>Comments on: Strategic Use Of A Deficient Office Action (Or Why A Call To An Examiner Might Not Be In An Applicant’s Best Interests)</title>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I agree with your post.  The problem remains though.  Examiners know that making an OA final starts the clock running and they also know that the petition process is a complete joke.

I&#039;ve been to the AIPLA&#039;s &quot;Partnering in Patents&quot; meetings (held annually the Thursday before the AIPLA annual meeting), and consistently the number one complaint from practitioners is after final practice.

Using your example of a non-final OA not treating a claim, I always mention it in my response, right up front, and always state that any OA that rejects/objects to that claim must be non-final.  (I would never amend a claim that wasn&#039;t treated as that is an invitation to the examiner to reject it and claim &quot;necessitated,&quot; which would be completely false, but when you complain the (mis)manager handling your complaint is going to give it a cursory review and conclude, &quot;Well you amended it.&quot;)

I always add claims in the situation you describe because what I&#039;ve experienced in the past in that situation is examiners rejecting the previously unaddressed claim and making the rejection final.  When I complain, what I get is, &quot;Well, that was a typo, you shoulda known it was rejected.&quot;  The examiners do that because they&#039;re rolling the dice that you&#039;re not going to go over their head.  And their (mis)managers will likely back them up.  Because they too are rolling the dice.  They figure you won&#039;t make a big deal out of one claim.

But when I add claims, I tell the examiner, &quot;Hey, your initial OA was deficient because it didn&#039;t treat claim X.  You cannot make the next OA final.  And in reliance on that, I&#039;ve added claims to further define the invention.&quot;  That puts them on notice that I will complain if the next OA is improperly made final.

I&#039;ve faced the exact situation of your example several times. (There&#039;s simply no proof reading going on over there.)  Sometimes the examiner acknowledges the mistake and makes the next OA non-final.  But there&#039;s always that one, or two, that figure they&#039;re gonna roll the dice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I agree with your post.  The problem remains though.  Examiners know that making an OA final starts the clock running and they also know that the petition process is a complete joke.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to the AIPLA&#8217;s &#8220;Partnering in Patents&#8221; meetings (held annually the Thursday before the AIPLA annual meeting), and consistently the number one complaint from practitioners is after final practice.</p>
<p>Using your example of a non-final OA not treating a claim, I always mention it in my response, right up front, and always state that any OA that rejects/objects to that claim must be non-final.  (I would never amend a claim that wasn&#8217;t treated as that is an invitation to the examiner to reject it and claim &#8220;necessitated,&#8221; which would be completely false, but when you complain the (mis)manager handling your complaint is going to give it a cursory review and conclude, &#8220;Well you amended it.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I always add claims in the situation you describe because what I&#8217;ve experienced in the past in that situation is examiners rejecting the previously unaddressed claim and making the rejection final.  When I complain, what I get is, &#8220;Well, that was a typo, you shoulda known it was rejected.&#8221;  The examiners do that because they&#8217;re rolling the dice that you&#8217;re not going to go over their head.  And their (mis)managers will likely back them up.  Because they too are rolling the dice.  They figure you won&#8217;t make a big deal out of one claim.</p>
<p>But when I add claims, I tell the examiner, &#8220;Hey, your initial OA was deficient because it didn&#8217;t treat claim X.  You cannot make the next OA final.  And in reliance on that, I&#8217;ve added claims to further define the invention.&#8221;  That puts them on notice that I will complain if the next OA is improperly made final.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve faced the exact situation of your example several times. (There&#8217;s simply no proof reading going on over there.)  Sometimes the examiner acknowledges the mistake and makes the next OA non-final.  But there&#8217;s always that one, or two, that figure they&#8217;re gonna roll the dice.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, it really depends on what you&#039;re trying to do with the extra bite at the apple.  If you want to get some extra arguments/evidence in, that may not irritate the examiner and may advance prosecution.  On the other hand, if you&#039;re trying to pursue new subject matter that will require additional searching, you may violate the rule that you don&#039;t want to make the examiner mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it really depends on what you&#8217;re trying to do with the extra bite at the apple.  If you want to get some extra arguments/evidence in, that may not irritate the examiner and may advance prosecution.  On the other hand, if you&#8217;re trying to pursue new subject matter that will require additional searching, you may violate the rule that you don&#8217;t want to make the examiner mad.</p>
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